Title: Socialization
Description: How far is too far?
Deltasix - July 8, 2005 02:48 AM (GMT)
Ask a room full of pre-schoolers who can sing, who can dance, and who can paint, and they will all reply:
"I CAN!!"
However, you ask this to a room full of 8th graders, or prehaps even people who are older, they will almost always say
"A little" or "I can, but not very well"
Why is this? Simply put, I belive it is through socialization, or conforming people to soceities norms. By questioning children, or even teaching them, you are doing it to one degree or another. But how far is too far?
When I child can't be open, thus making an adult who is far more closeminded and/or self consious about his/her actions, then what?
Your thoughts?
King'O'Roff - July 8, 2005 11:19 AM (GMT)
To be honest I can't really say - I guess it would depend upon how that child (or children) are brought up or what they experience. At pre-school, you wouldn't have a concept of embaressment or of ability - and therefore you maight have less aversion to try something that may well show you up than you would say when you're five years older.
Deltasix - July 8, 2005 01:03 PM (GMT)
Very true, but must we become embaressed with ourselves when we make a small mistake? Is that such an issue that it warrents becoming embaressed?
Plus. how much of that is just the norms of society saying that we should be embaressed, rather than true discomfort after the fact.
Arya - July 9, 2005 02:56 PM (GMT)
Embarrasment from within causes a problem that cannot be resolved through the evolution of society and societal norms, it must be combated from that person. Obviously, we cannot be troubled with such things.
More and more, I begin to think the problem has existed for thousands of generations before us due to the fact that humans always stretch for the truth. When someone claims to do something (as in your example), people always want to see it, people want to know. In most cases, this cannot be changed, it must happen to each individual.
One main aspect of our society today, is to be a critic. We have critics on everything and everyone, and for some reason the entire population wants to be one. Personally, I think it might be more prevalent in Capitlist societies, where money becomes an issue with everything, and thus you have critics and reviewers to help consumers make choices for better products, thus creating critics for vacuums, computers, clothes, actors, etc. So naturally, while reading and hearing about, it becomes part of our personality to be a critic.
This is really, extremely, farfetched, but its something I've been thinking for a while.
Deltasix - July 12, 2005 11:32 PM (GMT)
But being a critic is a learned action, somthing that occurs through socialization. Would you say being so critital is going to far? Or would you say that it is a needed "skill"?
Arya - July 14, 2005 02:29 AM (GMT)
It is a skill. That is why we have developed it.
The idea that in a capitalistic nation, thousands of companies strive to steal your money: what other way can there be but to have another person review it for you?
Deltasix - July 14, 2005 02:36 AM (GMT)
Aren't people trying to steal your money a issue of socialization. I don't think that people are born greedy.
psycholopher - September 27, 2005 12:56 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| By questioning children, or even teaching them, you are doing it to one degree or another. But how far is too far? |
When people are not taught to think critically and to examine things for themselves, then socialization has gone too far (or not far enough).
Deltasix - September 5, 2006 01:47 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (psycholopher @ Sep 26 2005, 08:56 PM) |
| QUOTE | | By questioning children, or even teaching them, you are doing it to one degree or another. But how far is too far? |
When people are not taught to think critically and to examine things for themselves, then socialization has gone too far (or not far enough). |
How do we know that point before we reach it?