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Description: White House stands by him


Kevin Beckman - July 3, 2005 05:25 AM (GMT)
Karl Rove has been implicated by two sources now that he leaked Valerie Plame's name as a CIA operative. This isn't the first time he's leaked information to the press, if it's true.


To be honest, I'm as happy as a pig in shit. Karl Rove is an asshole

Deltasix - July 3, 2005 04:48 PM (GMT)
Is this the one who spoke out against Iraq, or her husband did or somthing, and her name was thus leaked?

Or another one?

Kevin Beckman - July 3, 2005 04:54 PM (GMT)
Yeah that's the one.

Deltasix - July 3, 2005 05:16 PM (GMT)
Yeah, well, that makes me mildly.....upset....

Do you have a link to more information on this?

Kevin Beckman - July 4, 2005 03:20 AM (GMT)

Deltasix - July 4, 2005 03:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (AFP)
It is a federal crime to deliberately reveal the identity of an undercover CIA official. A special prosecutor was appointed to investigate the leak and began subpoenaing reporters to find the source.


I really hope they nail his ass.

Kevin Beckman - July 4, 2005 04:16 AM (GMT)
With the possibility of Rove being out of the picture 2006 is gonna be very interesting.




Deltasix - July 8, 2005 02:41 AM (GMT)
One reported was sent to Jail because she didn't reveal her sources on this issue, even though the proscuter knows who the source is. :wacko:

Why the hell isn't Novak sitting in jail for a few weeks, he was the one who actually broke the story in his column.

MetGreDKo - July 13, 2005 04:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
White House maintains confidence in Rove

Democrats call for Bush to fire adviser linked to CIA leak


Associated Press
Updated: 8:04 p.m. ET July 12, 2005


WASHINGTON - After two days of questions, the White House said Tuesday that President Bush continues to have confidence in Karl Rove, the presidential adviser at the center of the investigation into the leak identifying a female CIA officer.

Bush did not respond to a reporter’s question Tuesday about whether he would fire Rove, as Democrats demanded, in keeping with a June 2004 pledge to dismiss any leakers of Valerie Plame’s identity.

At a White House briefing later, spokesman Scott McClellan was pressed about Rove’s future.

“Any individual who works here at the White House has the confidence of the president. They wouldn’t be working here at the White House if they didn’t have the president’s confidence,” McClellan said.

The White House said two years ago that Rove wasn’t involved in the leak. According to a July 2003 e-mail that surfaced over the weekend, Rove told Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper that the woman “apparently works” for the CIA. It added that the woman had authorized a trip to Africa by her husband, U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson, to check out allegations that Iraq had tried to buy uranium from Niger for nuclear weapons.

At the time of Rove’s conversation with Cooper, Wilson had accused the Bush administration of manipulating intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq.

Cooper’s e-mail is now in the hands of federal prosecutors who are hunting down the leakers inside the Bush administration who revealed Plame’s name to the news media.


Democrats want Rove axed
The revelation about Rove prompted Democratic calls for Bush to follow through on his promise to fire leakers of Plame’s identity.

Former Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts said Tuesday that “Karl Rove ought to be fired.” With Kerry on Capitol Hill was Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., a possible 2008 presidential contender, who indicated her agreement with Kerry’s view.

“I’m nodding,” she told reporters.

The issue triggered 61 questions during two press briefings Monday by McClellan. It was McClellan who had provided the previous assurances about no role for Rove, but he refused to repeat those assurances Monday.

“Did Karl Rove commit a crime?” a reporter asked McClellan.

“This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation,” McClellan replied.


Choosing words carefully
McClellan gave the same answer when asked whether President Bush has confidence in Rove, the architect of the president’s successful political campaigns.

The investigation was ongoing in 2003 when McClellan assured the public Rove wasn’t involved, a reporter pointed out, but the spokesman refused to elaborate.

In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken directly with Rove about the matter and that “he was not involved” in leaking Plame’s identity to the news media. McClellan said at the time: “The president knows that Karl Rove wasn’t involved,” “It was a ridiculous suggestion” and “It’s not true.”

Rove’s own public denials at the time and since have been more narrowly worded: “I didn’t know her name and didn’t leak her name,” Rove said last year.

Democrats pressed Bush to act.

“The White House promised if anyone was involved in the Valerie Plame affair, they would no longer be in this administration,” said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. “I trust they will follow through on this pledge. If these allegations are true, this rises above politics and is about our national security.”

Democratic consultant Paul Begala, appearing on ABC’s “Good Morning America” Tuesday, said Rove has both a legal problem and a political problem.


Grand jury involvement
He said the legal issue should be resolved by the grand jury. Begala also said the White House has a political problem because “people are going to look at this crowd and say, Gee, we can’t trust a thing they say after the WMD (weapons of mass destruction) controversy.’ “

New York Times reporter Judith Miller is in jail for refusing to reveal who in the administration talked to her about Plame.

Cooper had also planned to go to jail rather than talk, but at the last minute he agreed to cooperate with investigators when a source, Rove, gave him permission to do so. Cooper’s employer, Time Inc., also turned over Cooper’s e-mail and notes.

One of the e-mails was a note from Cooper to his boss in which he said he had spoken to Rove, who described the wife of former U.S. Ambassador and Bush administration critic Joe Wilson as someone who “apparently works” at the CIA, Newsweek magazine reported.

It said “Wilson’s wife” — not CIA Director George Tenet or Vice President Dick Cheney — authorized a trip by Wilson to Africa. The purpose was to check out reports that Iraq had tried to obtain yellowcake uranium for use in nuclear weapons.

Rove’s conversation with Cooper took place five days after Plame’s husband suggested in a New York Times op-ed piece that the Bush administration had manipulated intelligence on weapons of mass destruction to justify the invasion of Iraq. Wilson’s trip to Africa provided the basis for his criticism.

Robert Luskin, Rove’s lawyer, said his client did not disclose Plame’s name. Luskin declined to say how Rove found out that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA and refused to say how Rove came across the information that it was Wilson’s wife who authorized his trip to Africa.

On Tuesday, Joseph Wilson commented publicly for the first time since the new Cooper e-mail surfaced.

“I have said all along that Rove was intimately involved in the smear campaign launched after the [Novak] article appeared," he told NBC News in an off-camera conversation. "Now to find out he talked to Matt Cooper before then only compounds the outrage at the abuse of power.”


Groups want Rove's security clearances suspended
Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., and a private group, Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington, called on Bush to suspend Rove's security clearances, shutting him out of classified meetings.

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., asked the Republican chairman of the House Government Reform Committee to hold a hearing at which Rove would testify.

Rove should resign or the president should fire him, said Tom Matzzie, Washington director of the liberal advocacy group, MoveOn PAC.

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., asked Rove to detail any conversations he had about Plame before her name surfaced publicly in Novak's column.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8545657/



Out of over 44,000 votes for an online poll (I know, not exactly credible), 88% want him fired

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8554738/

Deltasix - July 13, 2005 10:40 PM (GMT)
I mereged these 2 topics on Rove.


Kirtar - July 15, 2005 02:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kevin Beckman @ Jul 3 2005, 11:16 PM)
With the possibility of Rove being out of the picture 2006 is gonna be very interesting.

Yah, no kidding. He was so essential in the last two elections.
Well, all I can say is that I hope he gets his ass kicked out of politics.
He's been playing the mean game for too long, it's time to give him back some of what he's given.

I hope he's found guilty of treason.

Deltasix - July 18, 2005 04:15 AM (GMT)
So, Rove got the name from the Media........

What?


A US journalist says presidential aide Karl Rove was the first to tell him that the wife of a prominent administration critic was a CIA agent.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4691367.stm


And if they are jailing someone for not reveiling their source, why the f**k isn't Novak in jail?

ajax - July 19, 2005 04:26 AM (GMT)
Karl Rove is an idiot, what he did was absolutely stupid and possibly very dangerous. <_<

Kevin Beckman - August 1, 2005 04:35 PM (GMT)
Shouldn't Rove be seperated from Bush until this is cleared up because he's a possible security problem?

Deltasix - August 3, 2005 05:10 PM (GMT)
As far as the Administration is concerned, this is cleared up.

Rove is fine, he didn't do a single thing wrong, and seperating him from Bush would show that the Administration actually could have been responsible for somthing.

Deltasix - January 24, 2007 02:05 PM (GMT)
Seems the trial against Libby is going rather well. Libby is saying that the administration is stabbing him in the back, and that he has a "notorious bad memory."

Right, just the guy who should be assistant to the VP.

Deltasix - March 6, 2007 09:42 PM (GMT)
Seems "scooter" was found guilty on most counts.

Thoughts?

Kevin Beckman - March 6, 2007 09:44 PM (GMT)
It would be really funny if he gets pardoned.



and by funny I mean sad.

Deltasix - March 6, 2007 09:46 PM (GMT)
What do you think the chances of that happening is?

The thing is, I really do doubt that hes little more than a scapegoat put out by the administration, and while I don't feel sad for him, I do feel that a majority of feelings towards him are misdirected. Like one of the jury people said, "Where is Dick Cheney, where is Karl Rove, where are the people really responsible for this?"

Kevin Beckman - March 6, 2007 09:51 PM (GMT)
Well to be honest this administration doesn't really have anything to lose anymore so the chances of giving him a pardon I'd say is decent.

Deltasix - March 6, 2007 09:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kevin Beckman @ Mar 6 2007, 04:51 PM)
Well to be honest this administration doesn't really have anything to lose anymore so the chances of giving him a pardon I'd say is decent.

It still could very much hurt the Republican Party. If anything happens, I imagine it will be after the '08 election.

Kevin Beckman - March 8, 2007 05:09 PM (GMT)
Probably. However if they don't stretch the appeals process until then they may do it earlier. The idea of spending anytime in jail may be enought to make Mr. Libby talk.

That said, I hope the appeals proccess goes by quickly.

Very quickly.




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