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Deltasix - June 28, 2005 12:16 AM (GMT)
Lets talk about Mexico.

President Fox's historic term is coming to an end. Why Historic? Well, Fox is the first president in some 70 years to have the office without being a puppet of the major poltical party of Mexico: PRI (Institutional Revolutionary
Party).

PRI has orginzed major election coups, falsifying votes and all around dirty work to maintain their strangle hold on Mexico. Now, enter Vicente Fox. Running on a very hopeful promises, Fox manages to wrestle hold from PRI.

Sucesses: Freedom of Information act for Mexico; Transparency Act
All time low Inflation
Reduced Poverty
Increased Health Insurance
Housing.

Failures:
Immigration (no help from the US on this by the way)
No fiscal reform
No Labour reform
No Energy Reform
No massive employment changes
Security worsening.


Granted, it isn't a good list of failures, but as Fox said: You can't build a nation in 5 years.
It also must be noted that PRI still controls the Labour Unions of Mexico and a great deal of cabinet positions, as well has having instituted the judical system (which needs a reform)

Anyways, how do you feel about Fox, Mexico, and the like?

:mex:

blizzard - June 30, 2005 05:37 PM (GMT)
I don't know too much about Mexico, or Fox for that matter. Can you give a list of notable PRI failures? All I've learned about is Diaz Ordaz and his barbaric execution of nonviolent protestors during the Tlatelolco massacre.

How exactly is security worsening? How bad is police corruption, nowadays- or for that matter, are there any significant efforts to curtail the drug trade?

QUOTE (Deltasix)
Freedom of Information act for Mexico; Transparency Act

I really like the sound of this. One of the major problems most Third World countries have (is Mexico still considered Third World? I know it's a massive trading partner with the US, but at the same time there is still a great deal of poverty, no?) is a lack of transparency. Do you think this act might be able to stem the tide of administrative and bureaucratic corruption?

When are Mexico's presidential elections coming up, and who might the candidates be?

Deltasix - June 30, 2005 10:10 PM (GMT)
PRI has lead Mexico's unions in a way that appears to be a support, but it really lining it's own pockets. Many PRI officals are criminals in the true sense of the word, a few murders, but mostly money fraud and the like. You know of the protest put downs, there is also "disappering' of people in Chiapes and MASSIVE election fraud.

As far as security, it is more a boarder issue, or that of Mexico City. Mexico City is devolping a stigma equal to that of Rio de Janero, not a nice place to be in the wrong area. Drug market there is booming, and kidnappings occur daily (my Uncle was picked up once by kidnappers).

The boarders are worse though. Around the US/Mex. boarder is where the drug trade comes to it's root end, going into LA and then branching throughout the western seaboard. The US hasn't been to helpful in setting up farmers with guns to shoot those who come across, but Mexico is not doing all it could. Huge rewards are placed on the capture of coyotes (people smugglers) but these are akin to our 1920s gangsters, they have a great deal of free regin.

Drug battle is strong, Mexico loses an aweful lot of Drug Enforcement Officers is shootouts and the like, but the strong American Market (and the Mex. city one) makes it too hard to steam the trade. It comes from all over south and central America, it's pretty determed.

The Transparency Act has already lead to the reopening of a case against a former PRI backed president, so it definatly helps.

Mexico is still considered 3rd world, and the trade with the US slackened a bit after the war in Iraq, Fox failed to back the US and thus caused some bitterness in the Bush Admin.

As for the elections, I really don't know, I'll research it when I have the time. ;)

Lorpius Prime - July 1, 2005 01:23 AM (GMT)
Eh, I like Fox. He hasn't been a particularly effective leader, but he's still a pretty powerful symbol of reform for Mexico. Hopefully, that's a trend which will continue and grow to the point where there can be real substantive policy improvements.

Deltasix - July 4, 2005 02:14 AM (GMT)
Indeed. He is one that will not implenment great change himself, he won't reform all of Mexico, but he opens up the door to do just that.

Which is why he will be remembered.

steviemadrid - July 4, 2005 03:08 AM (GMT)
I agree with Deltasix in that PAN/Fox period was enormously necessary and symbolic in a final break from the endless 70-year PRI quasi-dictatorship. When I was in D.F., the people I went round with were very critical of Fox however, and I never got to hear positive comments about what had actually been achieved (ok, it was 3 years back and early into his term).
I have read too (as stated above) about reduction in procentage of population under poverty line and also inflation, and increase in general "adquisitional power" (sorry, canīt think of the English term there), but would be interested in some comparitive stats on the subject if anyone has them.

A good point that comes to mind was finally allowing a deeper look/investigation into the true scale of the 68 Tlatelolco massacre on the justice side. However, to get back to here and now, hasnīt the Fox admin. been somewhat inept in working on the drug mafia and corruption up north around the US boarder? (as previously stated on this thread) The failure to sort out the dire situation in Ciudad Juárez seems symoblic to me for a general inability to achieve many results in this area, although on the other hand, no easy task either in a short space of time either I guess. Itīs a great shame though; I was in D.F. for a month and had a great time (despite its reputation for violence) - on the other hand, I wouldnīt travel around the North of Mexico (Chihuahua/Coahuila) if you paid me. Sounds like hell on the news.

Deltasix - July 4, 2005 04:01 AM (GMT)
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I have read too (as stated above) about reduction in procentage of population under poverty line and also inflation, and increase in general "adquisitional power" (sorry, canīt think of the English term there), but would be interested in some comparitive stats on the subject if anyone has them.



According to the gov't, poverty has been going down a tremedous deal.

The number of people living in poverty has reduced some 6.6 percent, and the number of people who are extremely poor has been reduced by 23.7 precent.

Deficet has been reduced .1% of the GDP, and the inflation rate is down to 4.8, which is the lowest its been in....decades.

Oh, and there have been 84% more housing loans granted by the gov't in Fox's term than the 5 years previous to Fox coming into power.....combined.

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However, to get back to here and now, hasnīt the Fox admin. been somewhat inept in working on the drug mafia and corruption up north around the US boarder?


I would balme it more on the Justice System than on Fox himself. Fox has been trying very hard to crack down on the Drug trade, but he isn't getting much help from the Judicary, which Fox wants to overhaul, but which the still mostly PRI controled congress doesn't want to see done.

steviemadrid - July 5, 2005 03:20 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Deltasix @ Jul 3 2005, 11:01 PM)
I would balme it more on the Justice System than on Fox himself.  Fox has been trying very hard to crack down on the Drug trade, but he isn't getting much help from the Judicary, which Fox wants to overhaul, but which the still mostly PRI controled congress doesn't want to see done.

Interesting point, I wasnīt aware of this but can very much imagine it being the case.
btw: what are the polls like at the moment? is it a Schröder-like case of "no way heīs winning another term"? or is he not standing?
and the next elections are 2006, no?

Deltasix - July 5, 2005 01:12 PM (GMT)
The election is in 2006, but I havn't seen any of the polls, I really should look it up.

steviemadrid - July 7, 2005 02:17 AM (GMT)
I thought this had been mentioned, but re-reading the thread I canīt see it:
EDIT: ok, just seen it, so Iīll reiteratea what Delta said.

Also thought Mexico had a lot of balls to say no to Bushīs farsical "coalition of the willing" for the Iraq war and stand in the opposing camp. Found it a surprizing move.

Deltasix - July 7, 2005 02:24 AM (GMT)
Yeah, and that cost trade and help on the immagration problem in Mexico. The Bush admin. has basiclly given Mexico the cold shoulder on many issues.

steviemadrid - July 7, 2005 02:45 AM (GMT)
The funny thing about the coalition there (if youīre into Schadenfreude, which I often am when it comes to Dubya, have to admit that), is that the alienation came from both the North and South sides of the NAFTA agreement.
(btw: Iīm often more of a visual person for checking out and remembering things, if anyone else is too thereīs an interesting map on this issue at wikipedia:
countries on Iraq war)
I was wondering (and would be interested to hear from others) whether this caused much friction with Mexico/Canada or not (I seem to remember Bush getting pissy with Martin about Canadian beef imports - just to be antagonistic - but may be totally wrong there). Any thoughts/articles on the subject?

A query as well to the issue of immigration: isnīt exploitation of the mega-cheap labour (mano de obra) of illegal Mexican immigrants a big boost to the American economy when allīs said and done? And therefore perhaps - as a social issue - of minor concern to fervently capitalist structures such as Republican USA?
(PS: Iīm not getting at the USA especially there, I guess all 1st world countries like their imported cheap labour from outside, certainly the Spanish agriculture has done well from illegal Marrocans picking tomatoes for near zero wages, etc. etc.)

Deltasix - July 7, 2005 03:06 AM (GMT)
The US Ambassador to Mexico made a public speech basiclly saying that there would be "serious reprecussions for Mexico if they didn't support the US in the invasion of Iraq". Most Mexicans took this to be a threat, which it seemed like to me too.

As far as Canada, I really dunno, might have to ask our Canadian resident Nevin about that.

As for immagration, it is both the poor conditions in many Central and South American nations, and the almost guarente of work in the US (albeit for very little, illegally, and under poor conditions) that contriubte to illegal immagration. As for how to combat it, I'm not entirly certain myself, other than cracking down on those who exploit immagrants and their labour power, and improving the conditions in Central and South America

Nevin - July 7, 2005 06:14 AM (GMT)
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I seem to remember Bush getting pissy with Martin about Canadian beef imports - just to be antagonistic - but may be totally wrong there


Well, the official reason for all that nonsense was that we had one case of mad cow disease in Alberta (there was also a case of mad cow in the United States, but oddly enough it never got much press), which of course justified stopping all shipments of beef for upwards of a year. Lord knows what the real motivation of the Bush administration was, but I suspect it was either related to not supporting the States or was merely done for economic gain.

Lorpius Prime - July 9, 2005 08:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nevin)
Lord knows what the real motivation of the Bush administration was, but I suspect it was either related to not supporting the States or was merely done for economic gain.


It was done because voters are ridiculously paranoid about such things. Japan did the same to the US when we had our mad-cow incidents, and we were just as (rightly) angered as the Canadians were.

Nevin - July 11, 2005 06:16 AM (GMT)
Yes, that makes sense. Paranoia tends to cause a lot of such stupid things. When I was travelling around southern Africa, I bought a drum in Zambia and tried to take into Botswana, and they told me that the (animal) skin could contain hoof-and-mouth disease, so they had to cut it off. Then they let me take the drum (sans the skin) with me. Never mind that the skin was treated. Never mind that if in some way the disease could be transmitted by this treated skin, it could almost certainly be transmitted by me and most of my family, as we had all touched the drum, and it could certainly be transmitted by the rest of the drum that they let me keep. Yeah, that ticked me off. I did, however, eventually got it reskinned back here in Manitoba, so the story has a happy ending, at least.

Hm... I think I've drifted off-topic.

Deltasix - July 15, 2005 04:27 AM (GMT)
So today, Fox was delcared a traditor to the Catholic Church beacuse of his support of the morning after pill.

Mildly disturbing to some, but thought it to be on topic.

By the way, aboritions are illegal in Mexico.

Deltasix - July 19, 2005 02:27 AM (GMT)
Alright, I got a list of probible canidates.

For PRD, which is the far leftest party, we are looking at Manuel Lopez Obrador, who is the Govener of Mexico DF (Mexico City)

For PRI, we are looking at Roberto Madrazo, who is the Party Chair for PRI

And for Fox's Party, PAN, I have no clue who will run. It might be the Secretary of State, Santiago Creel, it might be Medina Pcacencia, it might even be Fox's wife, Martha Saghun de Fox.

steviemadrid - July 19, 2005 02:47 AM (GMT)
I found a little poll (ok, itīs a bit old, March 2005) showing:
PRD 36.3%
PAN 26.0%
PRI 25.4%

poll

Deltasix - July 19, 2005 02:52 AM (GMT)
I wouldn't mind seeing PRD win really.

steviemadrid - July 27, 2005 09:26 AM (GMT)
Latest news about one of Foxīs programmes.

A Mexican court ruled on Tuesday there was insufficient evidence to try former President Luis Echeverria for genocide in a 1971 student massacre, ending a long legal battle to put him behind bars for the bloodshed. It was a major setback in President Vicente Fox's drive to punish those responsible for state repression during 71 years of single-party rule that ended with his election in 2000.

cnn, student massacres

lancelot - July 28, 2005 08:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lorpius Prime @ Jul 9 2005, 03:35 PM)

It was done because voters are ridiculously paranoid about such things. Japan did the same to the US when we had our mad-cow incidents, and we were just as (rightly) angered as the Canadians were.

No kidding. I still can't give blood in France because I lived in Britain in '86-'87.

Deltasix - August 8, 2005 10:57 PM (GMT)
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A Mexican court ruled on Tuesday there was insufficient evidence to try former President Luis Echeverria for genocide in a 1971 student massacre, ending a long legal battle to put him behind bars for the bloodshed. It was a major setback in President Vicente Fox's drive to punish those responsible for state repression during 71 years of single-party rule that ended with his election in 2000.


Fox is having a huge problem working with the courts as well, and can't get any reforms passed, because he can't work with the PRI controlled congress.

Update:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4128722.stm

Apparently Marcos doesn't care much for politicians. How odd. :rolleyes:

RancerDS - August 20, 2005 04:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (steviemadrid @ Jul 6 2005, 09:45 PM)
[SNIP]...is that the alienation came from both the North and South sides of the NAFTA agreement.
[SNIP]
I was wondering (and would be interested to hear from others) whether this caused much friction with Mexico/Canada or not...[SNIP]

My half-brother is in the trucking industry.

Theres a few things of particular interest. Their vehicle inspection falls very short of the current U.S. standard, yet NAFTA's terms indicate that if the vehicle passes in it's native country, then it's allowed in the other countries. U.S. trucking companies have learned not to leave trailer-loads there for pickup and are now even trying to keep up with their empties. The GPS/satellite tracking is actual located in the tractor rigs. Only high-end valued or technologic componentry gets a trailer with any kind of tracer. Even then, they've pretty well perfected the art of emptying one rapidly, so why bother?

The U.S. drivers don't seem overly fond of driving to destinations deeper into Mexico. They don't mind hops across the borders or fairly closeby.

And yeah, coyotes have smuggled people across the border into the U.S. in those poorly ventilated trailers and even left them too cook sometimes while the driver goes in some stop to eat. Since a friend in Department of Public Safety was tasked to do a stint with U.S. Border Patrol, I'd say their trying to keep this from happening too often. I'd even lay money that the U.S. is trying to lure away Texas peace officers to help out. Once heard an NPR report that: If you had every U.S. Border Patrol agent all along the Mexican border, you'd only have a gap of 50 miles in between. I can not attest to the accuracy of such a statement though.


Deltasix - January 18, 2006 07:02 PM (GMT)
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Mexican Campaign Focuses on Migration

By WILL WEISSERT, Associated Press Writer 16 minutes ago

MEXICO CITY - Mexico's presidential campaign is focusing on the millions who leave for better-paying jobs in the United States, with candidates promising to create better opportunities at home while railing against American immigration policies.

Illegal migration should again seize the spotlight Thursday, when the three major presidential hopefuls begin official campaigning after a Christmas break mandated by the country's electoral body.

Although they disagree on almost everything else, the top candidates for the July 2 election have all pledged to bolster the economy and attract international investment to make Mexican jobs attractive enough to keep people from heading north.

President Vicente Fox made the same promises before his 2000 election, but migration continued unabated.

Fox had said he would expand the economy by 7 percent a year. When economic doldrums struck worldwide after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, however, the president was forced to downgrade his domestic growth forecasts.

The current administration also struggled for a migration accord with Washington that would grant legal status to many of the estimated 6 million undocumented Mexicans in the United States.

But no agreement is likely before Fox leaves office on Dec. 1. He is limited by the constitution to a single six-year term.

Mexican politicians have been promising for decades to reduce migration to the United States, but simply creating new jobs isn't enough, political analyst Jose Antonio Crespo said.

"Many illegal (migrants) are now more educated and have opportunities in Mexico but prefer jobs in the United States," he said. "Even with illegal jobs, the pay is higher."

The migration issue will be most visible Thursday when presidential candidate Roberto Madrazo holds a rally in Izucar de Matamoros, referred to by some as a ghost town because much of its population has left for the United States.

Madrazo, whose Institutional Revolutionary Party controlled Mexico's presidency from its founding in 1929 until losing to Fox, says he is serious about keeping would-be migrants from leaving Mexico in a way the current administration — and seven decades of governments controlled by his party — were not.

For months, the race's front-runner has been Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, who resigned as Mexico City's mayor to run for president with the leftist Democratic Revolution Party.

His lead has diminished in recent months, however.

A poll published Wednesday by the Mexico City daily Milenio had the former mayor ahead with 37 percent compared to 31 percent for Felipe Calderon of Fox's National Action Party. Madrazo was one point behind Calderon. The newspaper interviewed 1,000 adults from across Mexico between Jan. 12 and 16. The margin of error was 3.2 percentage points.

Lopez Obrador is opening his campaign in Metlatonoc, a southern town with the lowest standard of living in Mexico as measured by a 2004 U.N. report on Human Development.

Lopez Obrador says it pains him to see Mexicans risk their lives sneaking across the U.S. border. He says economic reform is not about ideology but necessity.

Mexicans have condemned a bill passed by the U.S. House of Representatives that would build 700 miles of additional border fences in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. The proposal also would make illegal entry a felony and enlist military and local police to help stop undocumented migrants.

"It has intensified the issue, and anti-American sentiment is growing," Crespo said. "A wall is very symbolic and sends a message."

Calderon has said that "instead of labor going to where the capital is, we will make it so investment comes here to where our people are."

That is good news to Samuel Chavez, a Mexico City engineer who has two uncles and four cousins living illegally in California.

"Fox said the right things but we need a candidate who can bring home a migration agreement," he said. "Mexico needs results, not good intentions."

Crespo and other analysts say Mexican limits on foreign investment in the oil industry and other key sectors have hindered a cash infusion from abroad that might spur true economic reform.


It touches on alot of the issues that we are talking about in the US side. Interesting?

Intifada - February 28, 2006 06:20 PM (GMT)
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The Mexican government and military committed "crimes against humanity" in the so-called "dirty war" against left-wing rebels, a leaked report says.

The report was prepared for current President Vicente Fox but has not been released. A US NGO has printed material saying Mexicans had a right to know.

The army kidnapped, tortured and killed hundreds of rebel suspects, says the report, which covers 1964 to 1982.

Mexico's special prosecutor says the report is biased and has been revised.

'Death flights'

The draft report's authors write: "The authoritarian attitude with which the Mexican state wished to control social dissent created a spiral of violence which... led it to commit crimes against humanity, including genocide."

They say they base their findings partly on declassified military, police and interior ministry documents and list for the first time the names of officers allegedly involved in the abuses.

The report says that units detained or summarily executed men and boys in villages suspected of links to rebel leader Lucio Cabanas.

Detainees were forced to drink gasoline and tortured with beatings and electric shocks, it says.

Bodies of dozens of leftists were dumped in the Pacific Ocean during helicopter "death flights" from military bases in Acapulco and elsewhere.

Mr Fox set up an office in 2002 to probe possible human rights violations under the administrations of Presidents Diaz Ordaz (1964-70), Echeverria (1970-76) and Lopez Portillo (1976-82).

The office presented the report to the special prosecutor investigating past abuses on 15 December but it was not released.

The Washington-based National Security Archive, a research institute on international affairs, has posted what it says is the draft report on its website.

Kate Doyle, director of the archive's Mexico Project, criticised the failure to make the report public.

"[This] is a state of affairs reminiscent of Mexico's past, when citizens were routinely shut out of civic participation by a government determined to keep them in the dark," she said.

The Mexican special prosecutor, Ignacio Carrillo Prieto, has said the draft report is biased and places too much blame on the military without pointing to the abuses committed by the rebels.

He says the president is to be given a revised version on Monday that will later be published.

Mr Carillo has tried unsuccessfully to bring genocide charges against Mr Echeverria for allegedly ordering a massacre of student protesters in 1968. The ex-president has denied any wrongdoing.

Deltasix - February 28, 2006 08:22 PM (GMT)
Merged Topics.

Intifada - March 2, 2006 03:35 PM (GMT)
Mexico rejects 'dirty war' leak

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Mexico's president has rejected as invalid a leaked draft of a report into accusations of state repression in the "dirty war" more than two decades ago.
In a BBC interview, Vicente Fox also made it clear that once the document is officially published next month, there would be no further investigation.

The Supreme Court had established it was too late to prosecute, he added.

Authorities are alleged to have killed or tortured hundreds of suspected left-wingers in the 1960s and 1970s.

The document awaiting official publication will be the final report by a prosecutor, Ignacio Carrillo, appointed by Mr Fox to investigate what became known as the "dirty war".

"He will have to render his report. It will be placed in an open, public place," the Mexican president told the BBC. "That will be there for history, but legally it's over."

Mr Carillo said earlier that the document would be published in April, and it would not be dissimilar to the leaked version. "It's not going to totally contradict the draft," he told reporters.

His work is concluding ahead of the presidential election in July 2006, after which Mr Fox leaves office.

'Electric shocks'

Earlier this week, a Mexican Magazine and the Washington-based National Security Archive printed material saying Mexicans had a right to know.

The leaked report - which covers 1964 to 1982 and is based partly on declassified Mexican military documents - alleged that the Mexican government and military committed "crimes against humanity".

It said units detained or summarily executed men and boys in villages suspected of links to rebel leader Lucio Cabanas. Detainees were forced to drink gasoline and tortured with beatings and electric shocks.

Bodies of dozens of leftists were dumped in the Pacific Ocean during helicopter "death flights" from military bases in Acapulco and elsewhere, the leaked report added.

Mr Fox set up an office in 2002 to probe possible human rights violations under the administrations of presidents Gustavo Diaz Ordaz (1964-70), Luis Echeverria (1970-76) and Jose Lopez Portillo (1976-82).

The office presented the report to the special prosecutor investigating past abuses on 15 December, but it was not released.

Correspondents say Mr Carrillo's work was thwarted by legal obstacles and a lack of resources, and he himself has recently described it as deficient.

The fatal blow came when the Mexican Supreme Court rejected Mr Carrillo's attempt to bring to trial former senior officials, including ex-president Echeverria, saying that legally it was too late for prosecutions.

Deltasix - March 3, 2006 04:55 PM (GMT)
Not much here to argue. Everyone in Mexico that I know is aware that the crimes that the Mexican government commited in the 60's and 70's were...true? I mean, thats not really shocking news, and what with the Transparency Act in Mexico, the only thing surprising about this is the amount of time it took to be "offically released."

I admit that I wouldn't mind seeing some of the PRI assholes who ran the country locked up, but thats just a personal feeling there.

Intifada - March 3, 2006 05:11 PM (GMT)
Yeah.

What I don't like is the fact that it's "too late" to lock up those behind the crimes.

Deltasix - March 3, 2006 05:19 PM (GMT)
Thats true. I think that part of the major support post activation of the "Transparency Act" was the fact that we could go after people like this.

Deltasix - July 5, 2006 07:22 PM (GMT)
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Mexico leftist has slim early lead in vote recount

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico's leftist presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador had an early, narrow lead over his conservative rival on Wednesday in a recount of a contested election.

Results on display at the Federal Electoral Institute showed Lopez Obrador had 37.05 percent of the vote with results in from 36.6 percent of polling stations. Ruling party candidate Felipe Calderon was second with 34.38 percent.

It was too soon to say whether the trend would hold. Preliminary results earlier this week from Sunday's election gave Calderon a lead of about 0.6 percentage points over Lopez Obrador.


I'd really like PRD (Party of the Democratic Revolution) or the more leftist party, who's canidate is Lopez win. PAN (National Action Party) isn't all that bad, I suppose, and it is the party of Fox, but I think that PRD could do alot more.

I'm more happy than anything that PRI (Institutional Revolutionary Party ) isn't near winning. But yeah, go PRD!

blizzard - July 5, 2006 10:30 PM (GMT)
It's so close. As that article mentions, Calderon had a very slim lead before the recount. Man I hope Lopez Obrador wins.

Deltasix - July 6, 2006 12:51 PM (GMT)
Yeah, its going back and fourth now. They seem like they might actually count all of the votes. Imagine, what a novel idea.

Deltasix - July 7, 2006 01:30 PM (GMT)
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Mexico candidate vows vote fight

Mexico's centre-left presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has said he will challenge the outcome of Sunday's presidential election.

Final results have confirmed a razor-thin victory for his conservative rival, Felipe Calderon.

Mr Lopez Obrador said he would appeal to the courts, and urged his supporters to rally on Saturday in Mexico City.

Mr Calderon, however, said he would take office as president and vowed to work for all Mexicans.

"The election is behind us. It is time for unity and agreement among Mexicans," he told a noisy crowd of supporters at the headquarters of his ruling National Action Party.

The results came after electoral officials worked around the clock to verify ballots from the 2 July poll.

The final tally showed that just a few thousand votes separated the two men.

Mr Calderon finished with 35.88%, against 35.31% for Mr Lopez Obrador, the candidate of the Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) and former mayor of Mexico City.

Preliminary results after Sunday's election had given a lead of 0.6% to Mr Calderon but Mr Lopez Obrador refused to concede.

Mr Lopez Obrador is repeating his demand for ballot-by-ballot recount of the 41 million votes.

"We are going to the Federal Electoral Tribunal with the same demand - that the votes be counted - because we cannot accept these results," he said, adding that there had been "many irregularities".

His supporters wept in the streets as the final results emerged, and vowed not to let him be robbed of the presidency, the Associated Press news agency reported.

Mexicans divided

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Mexico seems set for weeks of legal wrangling reminiscent of the challenges that followed the US election in 2000.

Once the Federal Electoral Institute (IFE) announces the official result, candidates have four days to lodge a legal complaint with the electoral court.

The Federal Electoral Tribunal, the ultimate arbiter of disputes, has until early September to certify the winner.

The extremely close result only confirms the divisions that exist between the right and left of Mexican politics, says the BBC's Daniel Lak in Mexico City.

The poor and working class voters who support Mr Lopez Obrador with almost fanatical devotion are being told that the election and the country have been stolen from them, our correspondent says.

Mr Calderon's backers in the middle and upper classes and the business community will be relieved that their candidate has apparently won, but apprehensive about the confrontation and possible unrest to come, he adds.

The successor to President Vicente Fox is due to be inaugurated on 1 December.


Seeing how PRD had been robbed in every election against PRI, I can understand why they would challange the vote.

Deltasix - August 6, 2006 11:53 PM (GMT)
Triple Post, but its my site so :P

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Obrador vows to keep up protests

Mexican presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has called on supporters to march on the electoral tribunal to demand a full vote recount.

Mr Lopez Obrador rejected the tribunal's decision to recount votes from only 9% of polling stations.

"We don't want a portion of democracy. We want 100% democracy," he told thousands of supporters in Mexico City.

Mr Lopez Obrador lost the 2 July vote to his conservative rival by just half of one percentage point, results show.

For the past week his supporters have been camped out in central Mexico City as part of a campaign of "civil disobedience" to demand a full "vote-by-vote" recount.

'Not in vain'

Mr Lopez Obrador told tens of thousands of supporters in the city's vast Zocalo Square on Sunday: "This week we are going to carry out actions of resistance."

The fight, he added, would "possibly will take more time, but will not be in vain".

Mr Lopez Obrador urged followers to march on the electoral tribunal headquarters on Monday, and to keep up their sit-in of the Zocalo Square and main Reforma Avenue.

The sit-ins have snarled up much of the centre of the city for the last week.

Results from the July election showed that Mr Lopez Obrador lost to Felipe Calderon by less than 0.6 of a percentage point - or about 240,000 votes out of a total electorate of 41 million.

UN and EU observers pronounced the election free and fair.

However Mr Lopez Obrador presented some 900 pages of alleged evidence of electoral irregularities to the Federal Electoral Tribunal in the hope that it would order a full recount.

But on Saturday the tribunal ruled that only the results from 11,839 polling stations - of a total of 130,500 - should be recounted, beginning on Wednesday.

The tribunal has until 6 September to make its final ruling on the winner.


Orbador actually thinks that all votes should be counted? What the hell is wrong with him, obviously anti-american or somthing. :rolleyes:

Polkovnik_Alex - August 7, 2006 12:45 AM (GMT)
I don't think elections can end with such small differences. I think there should be a run-off between Calderon and Obrador.

Deltasix - August 15, 2006 01:24 PM (GMT)

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Mexico poll protests turn violent

Mexican riot police fired tear gas and used clubs to break up a protest by supporters of left-wing presidential challenger Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador.

Leftist lawmakers were among at least 30 people injured in the scuffles outside Congress in Mexico City.

Mr Lopez Obrador's supporters have been camped out in protest at the 2 July election they say was stolen by conservative rival Felipe Calderon.

This is the first time the authorities have used force on the protesters.

Mr Lopez Obrador later told his supporters that the events showed the authorities are "taking off their masks and putting aside their talk of supposed legality and respect".

Mr Lopez Obrador lost the election by 240,000 votes. He alleged fraud, and has since led a mass civil disobedience campaign to demand a full recount.

A court-imposed recount of votes from 9% of polling centres has been completed but the result has not yet been announced.

Mr Calderon told a news conference he was confident the recount would confirm his victory, and called on Mr Lopez Obrador to "reconsider his attitude".

Violence broke out as left-wing protesters tried to set up a camp outside Congress ahead of the outgoing President Vicente Fox's last state-of-the-nation address on 1 September.

Stones were thrown at lines of police who fired back with tear gas.

"They hit us all, they fired gas at us. I still haven't recovered from the tear gas," Elias Moreno of Mr Lopez Obrador's Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) said.

The federal police said they had followed guidelines but that the protesters had been blocking access to Congress. They called on the protesters to "demonstrate within the bounds of the law".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4793271.stm


Good for them. This issue shouldn't fall by the way side, it needs to be addressed and done correctly. That, and I think that Lopez Obrador would be a better presidetn tan Calderon.

Kevin Beckman - September 9, 2006 01:10 AM (GMT)

blizzard - September 9, 2006 03:51 PM (GMT)
I think Lopez Obrador's making a mistake by trying to declare a "shadow government". Honestly, the issue here is not necessarily the Mexican election but the general unrest in Mexico City. Anyways, it sucks nonetheless that Calderon's going to get the presidency, but this should tell the Mexican people that another route other than an voting is necessary. Delegate Zero and the Zapatistas need to refocus their message, as one Mexican friend told me, if they want to get more people onboard with the cause.




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