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Title: Income Tax
Description: is it a law or not?


valjean24601 - March 26, 2007 02:29 AM (GMT)
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Anticipating another interview with Ed Brown, John Klar prepared this brief video to alert Americans to what their government has been up to, and to ask the question: Who do we trust?

The mainstream media and the United States Government are supposed to be protecting the free speech and other Constitutional rights of the American people. But at their trial, the government denied all of Ed and Elaine Brown’s motions questioning the legality of the federal income tax, and has sought repeatedly to discredit people like the Browns. The mainstream media has been all too willing to assist in this process, ignoring many of the claims of people like Ed and Elaine, instead portraying them as misinformed or deluded lawbreakers.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/febru...050207trust.htm

On this site you will find a video that you can watch.

Ed Brown told the IRS that if IRS shows him the law requiring him to pay income taxes, he will basically give everything he has to them. But the IRS has not shown him a law requiring taxes. They demanded the IRS show them the law requiring this income tax, but it didn't show them.

I mentioned this before, but Aaron Russo came out with a movie called "Freedom to Fascism" in which he interviews former IRS agents that quit because they found out that the government has been illegaly making people pay income taxes.

here is the whole entire video on Google Videos (1hr 49mins): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...edom+to+fascism

I'm a tax payer too, actually (during the summer I lifeguard and i work for my town). And after watching these videos and hearing from people who interviewed IRS agents, this income tax is getting me confused. I'm still researching this. But even in my U.S. Government textbook does it not say that an income tax is a law.

And when I hear about cases like Ed Brown, it gets me suspicious. Is income tax a law or is it not?

When I filled out my W-4 form, I found out that I can be "exempt" from paying Income Taxes. I found that very interesting.

Deltasix - March 26, 2007 02:53 AM (GMT)
I saw this come up on another forum I was on, I'll repost what the guy there said:

Internal Revenue Code Citations
Requiring Payment of Income Tax
(Code excerpts, provided by CCH — Standard Federal Tax Reports, as of 1995)

Note: Internal Revenue regulations governing practices of the IRS agents are created by the IRS itself. But the Internal Revenue Code is different; it is a law of the federal government — passed by Congress, like any other federal law. Anyone who says that there is no law requiring the payment of income tax is ignoring the fact that the Internal Revenue Code is a law passed by Congress.

It is also incorrect to believe that the income tax code applies only to selected people or to selected geographical areas of the United States — or that income isn't defined in federal law. All these topics are covered in the Internal Revenue Code, a federal law passed by Congress and amended nearly every year.

You might decide to refuse to pay tax as a protest; that's your decision. But if you refuse to file or pay because you believe there is no law requiring you to do so, you're sadly mistaken.

What follows are relevant passages from the Internal Revenue Code spelling out who must pay, how income is defined, what must be paid, and what the penalties are for failure to do so.

Who Must Pay Income Tax
[ 36442] PERSONS REQUIRED TO MAKE RETURNS OF INCOME

Sec. 6012 [1986 Code].

(a) GENERAL RULE. — Returns with respect to income taxes under subtitle A shall be made by the following:

(I)(A) Every individual having for the taxable year gross income which equals or exceeds the exemption amount, except that a return shall not be required of an individual —

(i) who is not married (determined by applying section 7703), is not a surviving spouse (as defined in section 2(a)), is not a head of a household (as defined in section 2(B)), and for the taxable year has gross income of less than the sum of the exemption amount plus the basic standard deduction applicable to such an individual,

(ii) who is a head of a household (as so defined) and for the taxable year has gross income of less than the sum of the exemption amount plus the basic standard deduction applicable to such an individual, . . .

What Is Income?
[5502] GROSS INCOME DEFINED

Sec. 61 [1986 Code].

(a) GENERAL DEFINITION. — Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:

(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;

(2) Gross income derived from business;

(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;

(4) Interest;

(5) Rents;

(6) Royalties;

(7) Dividends;

(8) Alimony and separate maintenance payments;

(9) Annuities;

(10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts;

(11) Pensions;

(12) Income from discharge of indebtedness;

(13) Distributive share of partnership gross income;

(14) Income in respect of a decedent; and

(15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust.


ETC, ETC



Congress is issued the right to levy taxes per the 16th Amendment.

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When I filled out my W-4 form, I found out that I can be "exempt" from paying Income Taxes. I found that very interesting.


Why is that interesting? For the 4 or so years I worked before turning 18, I didn't have to pay any Federal income tax, and if you make below a certain amount, you also don't have to pay any, or only pay very little. You can also overpay by deducting too much from your paychecks, like I did two years ago. In that case, the government sends you a check.



As an aside, I've never seen anything come off the site you quoted hold up to mild research. Its a very poorly written/biased/sensationalist website, I'd take anything you read there with a HUGE grain of salt.

valjean24601 - March 26, 2007 03:32 AM (GMT)
But then with the Ed Brown case, why hasn't anything happened to him? He and his wife had not paid federal income taxes since 1997. "Prosecutors claim (based upon arbitrary figures provided by the IRS) that the couple "owes" $625,000 in taxes." The IRS has not done anything to him yet. Why?

I read what you posted. And i've read it before in other websites actually, and I did make research on this topic for quite a bit, but I can't quite make up my mind. If it's a law, and Brown refused to abide by that law since 1997, what's the big deal? That's all I'm questioning right now.

Deltasix - March 26, 2007 03:39 AM (GMT)
I've personally known a few people who decided to stop paying income tax, a few got busted and the others just aren't bothered. Dunno why in his case (assuming he is being truthful) but I can tell you that yes, it is law.

valjean24601 - March 26, 2007 03:46 AM (GMT)
Ok, if you say so. I'll raise some questions in government class after I make some more in-depth research, because i'm still skeptical about it. I found that there are lawyers who help you get rid of paying your income tax. I think they call that "tax relief" or something.

Deltasix - March 26, 2007 03:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (valjean24601 @ Mar 25 2007, 11:46 PM)
Ok, if you say so. I'll raise some questions in government class after I make some more in-depth research, because i'm still skeptical about it. I found that there are lawyers who help you get rid of paying your income tax. I think they call that "tax relief" or something.

Theres plenty of ways around many of the tax codes yes. Thats because the laws are set in place for that, either intentionally or unintentionally. I've always thought its was common knowledge to anyone that you can have write offs or the like, or you can settle debt through tax relief. I fail to see how you're still skeptical of it being a law though.

Just because there are ways to work the tax codes doesn't make it any less of a law.

valjean24601 - March 26, 2007 04:24 AM (GMT)
I understand what you are saying. There are laws that have exceptions to them, and the Income Tax seems to be one of them. It'll be interesting though, to see the outcome of the Ed Brown case..

Kevin Beckman - March 27, 2007 12:39 AM (GMT)
The outcome will be penalties and late fees.

Regardless, we shouldn't have to pay income taxes to begin with. Now that they have our money they're gonna waste it. Wonderful, no?

Deltasix - March 27, 2007 01:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kevin Beckman @ Mar 26 2007, 08:39 PM)
Now that they have our money they're gonna waste it. Wonderful, no?

I won't argue that. There is something to be said about the proposal to being a conscious objector to government budgetary plans.




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