Due to the recent deaths of prostitutes in a depressed area of Ipswitch, U.K.; the question of legality has arisen to the forefront.

The issues involved with prostitution are....

A.) If mothers of children are having to prostitute themselves, is there no other way to earn income?
B.) What kinds of measures are there for protecting the women forced to become such?
C.) Are drug-addiction or drug-usage more of a problem because of illegalities associated with it?
D.) What protective measures can be put into place for ungoverned, illegal activities?
E.) Do the people involved deserve the living conditions they are experiencing?



Yes, there is a possibility that it could be managed like a business sector with disease prevention and birth-control measures could be instilled if legalised. But what moral and ethical questions have to be overcome to allow this to occur?

Ideally these girls should be able to go into brothels to work where they are much safer, however brothels won't take girls who are on Drugs, so they still walk the streets.

One of the most shocking things about this is that one of the prostitutes killed actually gave an interview on tele the night before saying something along the lines of "i feel really unsafe right now, but i will still go out because i need the money". Then of course she was murdered.

One of the governements plans was to set up official red light districts where Prostitutes who can't go into the brothels because of drugs can still be monitered by police and kept safe. But the scheme was abandoned in January after residents complaints. and all similar schemes around the country had the same problems.

Really i think this is a good idea and these areas could easily be set up in out of town industial areas, away from residents and where the girls are in a smaller area and can be more easily monitered.

I don't support prostitution myself, but I think they should be free to do it if they want / choose to.

I like that idea, and it would work pretty effectively if people didn't have such negative opinions on prostitution, but then again, having sex with random people for money can be hard to look up to.

So since residents complain (and with just cause), it's really the prostitutes' faults for being on drugs. If drugs were legal, then I'd understand, but they aren't, so it's really up to them to choose between drugs or the brothel, where they can continue prostitution.

The government there needs to be looking for ways to supply more jobs if there isn't already an ample supply.

How are they being forced to become prostitutes? Having a gun put up to your head, being threatened, beaten, etc. already has measures of protection (whether they're effective or not is up to you to decide), which is the law. If it's lack of money / jobs, then I would address my answer to Question A.

Probably. No company wants to be known for hiring drug addicts. If drugs weren't illegal, then the problem would probably be the chances of them coming to work high (or experiencing the effects of the drug they were using).

If police aren't enough (which can be the case, since so many people out there have been doing illegal things all their lives without so much as being warned by a police officer), then I really don't know what is left. Offering a better alternative would be a positive solution.

In my opinion, nobody deserves living conditions like that, especially if you're having sex to make money that you need to live.

When 13 or 14 year old girls are having to resort to it, it's bound to be more than simple curiousity or wanting to follow in their mother's footsteps. And going without food isn't much different than having a gun put to your head. As one person put it, it is better than theiving. And government jobs could be part of the solution, but then you have the issues of day-care to consider. No ruling body really wants to get into providing a state-ran day care center.

Drugs, like other things (alcohol, humiliation, beatings) might be what they are forced to suffer in order to get paid. Not that I could blame any girl for taking a route to numb their minds for whatever ordeals they have to experience, per se.

But when it is outside the law, isn't it hard to go asking for legal assistance when it opens themselves up for prosecution? Won't it be left to whomever they approach as to the route they take on how to handle the situation?

Well, they could follow the US government and steal money from hard honest working people and give it to them. Much like in Robin Hood.

Build a McDonalds every 10 feet. Of course I'm exaggerating, but create more honest jobs around the area, a few McDonalds and other fast food restaurants.

That's a whole nother topic I think. But to put it shortly, yes. But they still wouldn't be that much less of a problem if they were legal.

If it's ungoverned, who'll put in the protective measures?

No one deserves those type of living experiences, but when it comes down to it, people will always be living in shitty conditions, there are people in Darfur that live much worse lives. We can do all we can to prevent it from happening, but not everyone can be middle class.

I'm not sure this idea to legalise prostitution is a smart idea. As it will make an under-class of women that perform the act. I just see a number of cute young 18 plus women joining that has a limited educaton. With a number of women, they can make a great deal of money perform like this. Than, it is a long battle with age that ends up with a woman without any other skills in her mid-life. Sure, she can save her money, it is just that you do not see very many strippers in there 40's and who wants to see a stripper in her 50's. It is just the same with prostitution, not a job skill people what when you get older.

Thats faulty logic at best. Should we make illegal all other jobs that are menial labor that don't give you skills for later on in life, and that you can't do when older? A huge part of the workforce would be gone then.

Not really, a job at McDonalds is a job for the younger generation. Very uncommon to see someone working at McDonalds in there 60’s. In most fairness, most of the employees at McDonalds are managers within there 20’s with younger employees. There are a few skills someone can gain working at McDonalds. Skills working as a cash register could be the skills needed to work as a manager at some other store dealing with the front end.

What does the skills of someone working within prostitution gain in older age? Unless she is going to train younger women in prostitution, or work the johns there is very limited skills a woman will have. Is she wants to get out, very few managers need someone with over ten years experience with having her legs open.

I don't see me saying McDonalds as one of the jobs that would be eliminated. I said "alot of menial labor jobs," not "McDonalds"

I and hold to that. If your standard by which jobs should be legal or not is if they allow for acquisition of new skills, its a pretty bad standard.

True, it is a weak case.

My major problem to leagalise protitution is that you do not have to have an education to get the job. Just look cute, be passive, and willing to have sex. Who knows, if prostition was legal in America you would have become a male prostitute.

Would your father pushed you to become a male prostitute? So ... whats the difference if the prostitute is a male or a female? Hey, there are a few female prostitutes that had to deal with a John being a woman. But heck, there are a few male prostitutes that enjoy other males for money. Who knows, if your father just pushed you to become a make prostitute, you too could be looking for something different when you get older.

It would be no different from jobs that are undesirable that are currently out there, and its not like it isn't done anyways. Legalization and regulation would make it better off for all parties involved.

In a society that wants free trade, are you sure you will see regulation of prostitution? Are you ever going to see someone running for a governorship demanding a prostitution tax? How many men and women wanting the services of prostitution are going to accept the regulation? If there is a divorce, how many men and women want their spouse to find out who, when, and were there spouse had sex out of marriage? If you have regulation, than you are going to have a paper trial. If prostitution is legalized, your still going to have an underground of prostitution.

Of course you're still going to have underground things, but again, you're building your points on very weak bases. Unless you want a totalitarian regime that stamps out everything or anarchy that regulates nothing you're still not going to avoid the black market.

But the fact that there will be a legal outlet that would be regulated would do in a serious blow to the current type of market there is, which is entirely unregulated, unsafe, and black market.

Once again, using your logic tons of freedoms, jobs, and rights would be outlawed because of possible abuse of them. It doesn't add up.

What is wrong with totalitarian goverments :usa: ?

Oh, you're one of the people who thinks the US is totalitarian. I understand.

Are you going to counter the points I made?

Did I say I was against legalized prostitution?

I really do not care if a female wants to get into prostitution or a male gets into prostitution too. It is just going to hurt them after they leave the profession. In fact, I accept legalized prostitution and legalized drugs too. Heck, I even accept legalized suicide, if you want death the government can take care of that problem.

It is just that the government is never going to accepted all these free market liberty. People that work in law enforcement will hate all this legalized stuff. If there was legalized prostitution, you will need less cops to bust the pimps and the Johns. You will have less of a tax you can get with people arrested, as court costs in my judgment is a tax.

Think of it this way, you place someone in jail or in prison, there is someone that watch over them that needs them in jail or in prison to feed a family. You know how bad American will get if crime drops say 80% for the next twenty years from its present standards. You would need less cops, less prison guards, less lawyers, that would place people of a job. First you start to lay off the cops, then the prison guards, than it gets into big money. You have to lay off lawyers and judges, as you do not need them as much as you did.

These people, the cops the prison guards are the right-wing of the Republican party. If the cops and the prison guards are not needed, than draw down the number employed, it huts the Republican party. Come on now, you think the Republican party is going to hurt there political base?

As you said:
I'm not sure this idea to legalise prostitution is a smart idea.

Which either implys that you're against it, or you'd go with a not smart (by your definition) idea. In essence, yes.

Which are all good things, which are all things that, in a free market society, it would make sense to do. Because it is free market. I'm pretty sure you have your terminology mixed up here, either that or your point simply isn't coming across well.

Not entirely true, but the parts that are....well, you're preaching to the choir here. I've made my stance on it pretty clear, you're the one who says, "I'm not sure its a good idea" the goes on to say we should legalize everything.

While the partisanship is lovely, and while we can look at the governmental aspects of it, theres a reason why this is here and not the politics section. This is aimed at the philosophical part, not purely the political part.

In general it is not a good idea, but, if the voters want to make it legal I do not have a problem with it. Do not have a problem if the people want to vote and legalize everything or make something illegal. The reason why I do not see it being a good idea, as I do not see the people going to vote to legalize prostitution. Even President George W Bush gets the right to vote, so someone with a bad idea can cancel out your vote.

Sure, we can talk about the philosophical part of legalized prostitution. Its’ just that we can talk about it till one of us dies, not going to change the laws of the land. In a philosophical frame, legalized prostitution would be a shift in western civilization, as prostitution has been a taboo legal or illegal. Would Kant support legal prostitution, in my judgment he would find it to be not rational.

In a philosophical argument, can you come up with a rational argument to discharge centuries of rational arguments that debase prostitution as a taboo? If there was legalized prostitution, how can you come up with a rational argument to support it being legalized if it is still a taboo? Cannibalism is a taboo; would it be rational to legalize this taboo? Just under philosophical arguments only, just with non-political reasons, it would not be rational to support a taboo.

If you come up with a philosophical rational reason to make the taboo of prostitution legal, than you came up with a rational reason to make cannibalism rational also. Looking forward to have you as my dinner, with enough meat to fill my freezer chest.