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Deltasix - August 7, 2006 08:37 PM (GMT)
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Sexual lyrics prompt teens to have sex
By LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer Mon Aug 7, 12:51 AM ET

CHICAGO - Teens whose iPods are full of music with raunchy, sexual lyrics start having sex sooner than those who prefer other songs, a study found.

Whether it's hip-hop, rap, pop or rock, much of popular music aimed at teens contains sexual overtones. Its influence on their behavior appears to depend on how the sex is portrayed, researchers found.

Songs depicting men as "sex-driven studs," women as sex objects and with explicit references to sex acts are more likely to trigger early sexual behavior than those where sexual references are more veiled and relationships appear more committed, the study found.

Teens who said they listened to lots of music with degrading sexual messages were almost twice as likely to start having intercourse or other sexual activities within the following two years as were teens who listened to little or no sexually degrading music.


Among heavy listeners, 51 percent started having sex within two years, versus 29 percent of those who said they listened to little or no sexually degrading music.

Exposure to lots of sexually degrading music "gives them a specific message about sex," said lead author Steven Martino, a researcher for Rand Corp. in Pittsburgh. Boys learn they should be relentless in pursuit of women and girls learn to view themselves as sex objects, he said.

"We think that really lowers kids' inhibitions and makes them less thoughtful" about sexual decisions and may influence them to make decisions they regret, he said.

The study, based on telephone interviews with 1,461 participants aged 12 to 17, appears in the August issue of Pediatrics, being released Monday.

Most participants were virgins when they were first questioned in 2001. Follow-up interviews were done in 2002 and 2004 to see if music choice had influenced subsequent behavior.

Natasha Ramsey, a 17-year-old from New Brunswick, N.J., said she and other teens sometimes listen to sexually explicit songs because they like the beat.

"I won't really realize that the person is talking about having sex or raping a girl," she said. Even so, the message "is being beaten into the teens' heads," she said. "We don't even really realize how much."

"A lot of teens think that's the way they're supposed to be, they think that's the cool thing to do. Because it's so common, it's accepted," said Ramsey, a teen editor for Sexetc.org, a teen sexual health Web site produced at Rutgers University.

"Teens will try to deny it, they'll say 'No, it's not the music,' but it IS the music. That has one of the biggest impacts on our lives," Ramsey said.

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Recording Industry Association of America, which represents the U.S. recording industry, declined to comment on the findings.

Benjamin Chavis, chief executive officer of the Hip-Hip Summit Action Network, a coalition of hip-hop musicians and recording industry executives, said explicit music lyrics are a cultural expression that reflect "social and economic realities."

"We caution rushing to judgment that music more than any other factor is a causative factor" for teens initiating sex, Chavis said.

Martino said the researchers tried to account for other factors that could affect teens' sexual behavior, including parental permissiveness, and still found explicit lyrics had a strong influence.

However, Yvonne K. Fulbright, a New York-based sex researcher and author, said factors including peer pressure, self-esteem and home environment are probably more influential than the research suggests.

"It's a little dangerous to just pinpoint one thing. You have to look at everything that's going on in a young person's life," she said. "When somebody has a healthy sense of themselves, they don't take these lyrics too seriously."

David Walsh, a psychologist who heads the National Institute on Media and the Family, said the results make sense, and echo research on the influence of videos and other visual media.

The brain's impulse-control center undergoes "major construction" during the teen years at the same time that an interest in sex starts to blossom, he said.

Add sexually arousing lyrics and "it's not that surprising that a kid with a heavier diet of that ... would be at greater risk for sexual behavior," Walsh said.

Martino said parents, educators and teens themselves need to think more critically about messages in music lyrics.

Fulbright agreed.

"A healthy home atmosphere is one that allows a child to investigate what pop culture has to offer and at the same time say 'I know this is a fun song but you know that it's not right to treat women this way or this isn't a good person to have as a role model,'" she said.


Wow.

Zairik - August 7, 2006 11:57 PM (GMT)
Songs don't make you do anything. What a load of garbage. That's like putting the blame on commercials involving food for why there are more obese people.

RancerDS - August 8, 2006 05:16 AM (GMT)
Going to have to ring in here on this one.

While I'm not a weak-willed individual on a regular basis, can say that the food commercials on television do create cravings. Wonder why they show so many toy commercials during Saturday morning cartoons? That's their 'bread and butter'.

Nevin - August 12, 2006 01:59 AM (GMT)
It's not clear to me that this isn't simply a case of correlation rather than causation--that is, the kinds of kids who are likely to have sex earlier on in their life or the same kind that are likely to listen to this kind of music.

Zairik - August 12, 2006 09:33 PM (GMT)
This just seems like parents putting the blame on anything or anyone but themselves.

jammyd01 - August 14, 2006 12:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nevin @ Aug 11 2006, 08:59 PM)
It's not clear to me that this isn't simply a case of correlation rather than causation--that is, the kinds of kids who are likely to have sex earlier on in their life or the same kind that are likely to listen to this kind of music.

Thats bang on what i thought

IceMetalPunk - August 14, 2006 05:33 PM (GMT)
Although that's not 100% true. I liesten to all kinds of rap and rock, most of which include explicit and sexual lyrics. But I've made a resolution to myself not to do anything of the sort until I'm in a committed relationship, or married. Whichever comes first :lol:

-IMP ;) :)

Nevin - August 14, 2006 06:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jammyd01 @ Aug 14 2006, 06:58 AM)
QUOTE (Nevin @ Aug 11 2006, 08:59 PM)
It's not clear to me that this isn't simply a case of correlation rather than causation--that is, the kinds of kids who are likely to have sex earlier on in their life or the same kind that are likely to listen to this kind of music.

Thats bang on what i thought

No pun intended, eh?

Deltasix - August 14, 2006 06:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (IceMetalPunk @ Aug 14 2006, 01:33 PM)
Although that's not 100% true. I liesten to all kinds of rap and rock, most of which include explicit and sexual lyrics. But I've made a resolution to myself not to do anything of the sort until I'm in a committed relationship, or married. Whichever comes first :lol:

-IMP ;) :)

Agreed, but I doubt Nevin would claim that its 100% true, because that would be about as smart as thinking that songs cause kids to have sex.

Nevin - August 14, 2006 06:41 PM (GMT)
No, I believe that from knowing what kind of music IMP listens to, I am able to make all sorts of assumptions and judgments about him. Not only is he going to have unrestrained premarital sex, he's also going to kill and rob a friend to support his cocaine habit. He's probably homosexual, too.

Deltasix - August 14, 2006 06:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nevin @ Aug 14 2006, 02:41 PM)
No, I believe that from knowing what kind of music IMP listens to, I am able to make all sorts of assumptions and judgments about him. Not only is he going to have unrestrained premarital sex, he's also going to kill and rob a friend to support his cocaine habit. He's probably homosexual, too.

Scary thing, some people actually can follow a line of logic like that.

jammyd01 - August 14, 2006 08:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nevin @ Aug 14 2006, 01:14 PM)
QUOTE (jammyd01 @ Aug 14 2006, 06:58 AM)
QUOTE (Nevin @ Aug 11 2006, 08:59 PM)
It's not clear to me that this isn't simply a case of correlation rather than causation--that is, the kinds of kids who are likely to have sex earlier on in their life or the same kind that are likely to listen to this kind of music.

Thats bang on what i thought

No pun intended, eh?

no actually. damn i wish i'd picked up on that

The Mustang - September 1, 2006 03:14 AM (GMT)
The same thing can be said about Violence about Video Games. Todays media has a big influence on the youth. For example, premarial sex isn't as big a deal as it was years ago because of media and stuff like this.

Deltasix - September 1, 2006 04:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Mustang @ Aug 31 2006, 11:14 PM)
The same thing can be said about Violence about Video Games. Todays media has a big influence on the youth. For example, premarial sex isn't as big a deal as it was years ago because of media and stuff like this.

Actually the general consensus in this topic by everyone else hasn't been that. What others have been saying is that people who listen to such music are probably pre-disposed to sexual activity.

The Mustang - September 1, 2006 03:36 PM (GMT)
Yes, but I'm trying to bring up a new point. It is true they are pre-disposed, but the music videos is what really finishes off the job, the lyrics are bad enough sometimes and they continue to make a music video and show them.

Boru - September 20, 2006 03:23 PM (GMT)
The writer here is making a logical fallacy. She presumes correlation is the same as causation. There does exist a relationship between teens having sex and listening to music with explicit lyrics, but the one does not cause the other, she's trying to make a logical slight of hand to cause us to make that conclusion

Just because teens who listen to that kind of music are having sex DOES NOT mean that the music is the cause of them having sex. If it were the cause then logically it would follow listening to that music would make people have sex while listening to it.

While the mental image of a train full of people going at it like rabbits while listening to sexually explicit music is hilarious, it is simply not happening.

For a more explicit example: If a group of a few hundred people were to dress up like Pirates (which is a cool thing to do, don't get me wrong) for three days straight and those three days were sunny then they claim that it is always sunny when they dress up like pirates. The author here is doing the same thing as these few hundred people, claiming a causation link when all she has evidence of is a correlation.




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